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		<title>By: Roger</title>
		<link>http://www.globaldashboard.org/2009/03/25/the-put-people-first-march/comment-page-1/#comment-9099</link>
		<dc:creator>Roger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Mar 2009 20:17:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If people are starving then emergency aid is needed.  In the long run though I think aid money would be best used to steer countries towards building their own infrastructure that will allow for a strong economic base, such as a renewable energy power grid.

Mind you, the West needs poor people to stay poor, so we can stay rich.  Aid does that to a tee.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If people are starving then emergency aid is needed.  In the long run though I think aid money would be best used to steer countries towards building their own infrastructure that will allow for a strong economic base, such as a renewable energy power grid.</p>
<p>Mind you, the West needs poor people to stay poor, so we can stay rich.  Aid does that to a tee.</p>
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		<title>By: Peter Chowla</title>
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		<dc:creator>Peter Chowla</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Mar 2009 17:57:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jules, you are absolutely right that the control of the financial sector is a fundamental point. The recommendation we have on incentives and regulation to deliver a justice and sustainable economy covers these areas. It talks about using tax and financial incentives and regulation and reporting requirements (rather than direct ownership of banks) as the mechanisms to control both financial sector and non-financial sector corporate activity. These should incentivise/require companies/banks to meet environmental/social goals

However we have not spelled out in great detail in the policy paper the exact stratcuture of these incetnives and regulatory requirements. This is a work plan going forward for the members of Put People First. A report with more detail about this subject will be developed this year. But of course such a diverse colalition will make coming to consensus difficult - so it might take us a while... ;)

And control of finance being fundamental does not make it comprehensive - there are issues at the international level that go much beyond the control of the financial sector/banks. Tax abuse by multinationals can occur without the banks. And developing country problems stemming from currency, capital and commodity proice volatility would still be problematic. And control of banks also does not suffice to tackle both national and international inequality. And the question of distribution of climate rights is entirely separate and politically decided.

The agenda is very broad. And certainly hard to condense into an 8 page paper.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jules, you are absolutely right that the control of the financial sector is a fundamental point. The recommendation we have on incentives and regulation to deliver a justice and sustainable economy covers these areas. It talks about using tax and financial incentives and regulation and reporting requirements (rather than direct ownership of banks) as the mechanisms to control both financial sector and non-financial sector corporate activity. These should incentivise/require companies/banks to meet environmental/social goals</p>
<p>However we have not spelled out in great detail in the policy paper the exact stratcuture of these incetnives and regulatory requirements. This is a work plan going forward for the members of Put People First. A report with more detail about this subject will be developed this year. But of course such a diverse colalition will make coming to consensus difficult &#8211; so it might take us a while&#8230; <img src='http://www.globaldashboard.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>And control of finance being fundamental does not make it comprehensive &#8211; there are issues at the international level that go much beyond the control of the financial sector/banks. Tax abuse by multinationals can occur without the banks. And developing country problems stemming from currency, capital and commodity proice volatility would still be problematic. And control of banks also does not suffice to tackle both national and international inequality. And the question of distribution of climate rights is entirely separate and politically decided.</p>
<p>The agenda is very broad. And certainly hard to condense into an 8 page paper.</p>
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		<title>By: Jules Evans</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jules Evans</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Mar 2009 15:54:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Peter, 

The two critical issues the protest can and should push for, it seems to me, are the need for a global CO2e target of 350-450ppm; and serious reform of the financial system. 

The main question at the heart of the financial crisis is not regulating hedge funds (though thats a good idea) - they didnt cause the crisis, banks did. Its not regulating sovereign wealth funds (though the UK and IMF have already got SWFs to sign up to a transparency agreement, which was quite an achievement.) 

It&#039;s this: do we let our banks keep the profits and socialise the losses?  

The reform of the financial sector you propose is not radical enough. It&#039;s not about more regulation or more disclosure. It&#039;s not about limiting trading in some instruments. 

It&#039;s a fundamental question of ownership and control. 

The weird thing is, at the moment, only people in the financial services community recognise this. The Left still hasn&#039;t woken up to it. 

Once the government owns and controls the banking sector, some of the other proposals you pursue - investing in public services, environmental housing, closing down tax havens, investing in renewables - will naturally fall into place, because bank activities will be more directly aligned with government policy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Peter, </p>
<p>The two critical issues the protest can and should push for, it seems to me, are the need for a global CO2e target of 350-450ppm; and serious reform of the financial system. </p>
<p>The main question at the heart of the financial crisis is not regulating hedge funds (though thats a good idea) &#8211; they didnt cause the crisis, banks did. Its not regulating sovereign wealth funds (though the UK and IMF have already got SWFs to sign up to a transparency agreement, which was quite an achievement.) </p>
<p>It&#8217;s this: do we let our banks keep the profits and socialise the losses?  </p>
<p>The reform of the financial sector you propose is not radical enough. It&#8217;s not about more regulation or more disclosure. It&#8217;s not about limiting trading in some instruments. </p>
<p>It&#8217;s a fundamental question of ownership and control. </p>
<p>The weird thing is, at the moment, only people in the financial services community recognise this. The Left still hasn&#8217;t woken up to it. </p>
<p>Once the government owns and controls the banking sector, some of the other proposals you pursue &#8211; investing in public services, environmental housing, closing down tax havens, investing in renewables &#8211; will naturally fall into place, because bank activities will be more directly aligned with government policy.</p>
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		<title>By: Peter Chowla</title>
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		<dc:creator>Peter Chowla</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Mar 2009 15:25:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think Alex and Jules are being unfair and sloppy. If you read the full report rather than just the executive summary you will find that there are actually a lot of policy details that they fail to mention. 

I think there is also a measure of difference between the rhethoric of the prime minister and the actual policy positions being taken in negotiations by the officials and ministries in the UK. The PM has indeed made rhetorical commitments on many of the items in the Put People First policy paper - but none of the policy commitments have been made or are even likely to be made.

Lets go through some of the points.

Tax Havens: The report calls for several things. Automatic multilateral tax information exchange systems. There is no indication yet that the government will commit to this, and especially not through a global institutions with full global membership rather than a limited institution such as the OECD. The second call is for country-by-country reporting which is a key element on cracking down on tax evasion especially as it relates to corporate tax abuse through transfer mispricing or royalty payments. Finally there is no indication that all data on beneficial ownership and trading entities will be put on public record. This could be done instantly for overseas territories of the UK - but the UK has avoided talking about UK jurisdictions and focussed instead on Switzerland and Lichtenstein.

Fundamental governance reform of the IMF and World Bank - the UK has been on of the leading blockers on voting reform at the IMF and World Bank for example. The policy paper called for voting weight to recognise shares of population - the UK has consistently rejected this. It also calls for &quot;parity of voice and vote&quot; for the World Bank - ie as groups developed and developing countries should have equal weight in the sinstitution. The UK has consistently rejected this as well. The UK&#039;s position is not &quot;comprehensive reform&quot; but piecemeal reform.

Green New Deal - the UK stimulus is one of the least green being implemented. HSBC has released a report on the greenness of the global stimulus packages, rating the UK as having only 7% of stimulus green. This is dwarfed by continental countries as well as by China, South Korea and others. Some of the UK stimulus actually is being used to further &quot;brown&quot; rather than &quot;green&quot; projects such as massive road building. The UK stimulus at 1.4% of GDP is much lower than the estimate by the Stern report of what is needed to react to climate change. Extrapolating the numbers from Stern would indicate you need green stimulus in the range of 1.5% - 2% of GDP. Instead we have 7% of 1.4% of GDP - you do the maths...

On investing in public services - one touchstone included in the policy paper is a massive investment in ecologically sound social housing. The exact policy demands are not in the policy paper - due to ongoing work by a subgroup. But the 2020 housing group - including many members of Put People First - put out a call for 100,000 new socially rented homes to be constructed. There is no indication that the government will get anywhere close to meeting this target.

On climate change - you have picked out the point about pushing for deal at Cophenhagen. You ignored the reference in the paper of $80 billion a year need calculated by the UNDP. Not included in the paper - but part of much of the record of Put People First member work climate change - are demands about the structure of climate finance: funding will be governed through UN mechanisms; that it should be grants not loans; and should be additional to what industrial countries need to do at home.

Now on the point about transparency and public accountability. The text of the report unpacks the headline recommendation: all financial institutions should be regulated including hedge funds, sovereign wealth funds, and over-the-counter products. There should be limits on derivatives trading and damaging speculation. Public reporting and listing requirements for multinationals should include information about governance arrangements, human rights impacts, social impacts, and environmental impacts. And that multinationals operating abroad be held accountable if they breach international human rights and environmental standards - there is no mechanism for doing this now. Do you think any of this is government policy?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think Alex and Jules are being unfair and sloppy. If you read the full report rather than just the executive summary you will find that there are actually a lot of policy details that they fail to mention. </p>
<p>I think there is also a measure of difference between the rhethoric of the prime minister and the actual policy positions being taken in negotiations by the officials and ministries in the UK. The PM has indeed made rhetorical commitments on many of the items in the Put People First policy paper &#8211; but none of the policy commitments have been made or are even likely to be made.</p>
<p>Lets go through some of the points.</p>
<p>Tax Havens: The report calls for several things. Automatic multilateral tax information exchange systems. There is no indication yet that the government will commit to this, and especially not through a global institutions with full global membership rather than a limited institution such as the OECD. The second call is for country-by-country reporting which is a key element on cracking down on tax evasion especially as it relates to corporate tax abuse through transfer mispricing or royalty payments. Finally there is no indication that all data on beneficial ownership and trading entities will be put on public record. This could be done instantly for overseas territories of the UK &#8211; but the UK has avoided talking about UK jurisdictions and focussed instead on Switzerland and Lichtenstein.</p>
<p>Fundamental governance reform of the IMF and World Bank &#8211; the UK has been on of the leading blockers on voting reform at the IMF and World Bank for example. The policy paper called for voting weight to recognise shares of population &#8211; the UK has consistently rejected this. It also calls for &#8220;parity of voice and vote&#8221; for the World Bank &#8211; ie as groups developed and developing countries should have equal weight in the sinstitution. The UK has consistently rejected this as well. The UK&#8217;s position is not &#8220;comprehensive reform&#8221; but piecemeal reform.</p>
<p>Green New Deal &#8211; the UK stimulus is one of the least green being implemented. HSBC has released a report on the greenness of the global stimulus packages, rating the UK as having only 7% of stimulus green. This is dwarfed by continental countries as well as by China, South Korea and others. Some of the UK stimulus actually is being used to further &#8220;brown&#8221; rather than &#8220;green&#8221; projects such as massive road building. The UK stimulus at 1.4% of GDP is much lower than the estimate by the Stern report of what is needed to react to climate change. Extrapolating the numbers from Stern would indicate you need green stimulus in the range of 1.5% &#8211; 2% of GDP. Instead we have 7% of 1.4% of GDP &#8211; you do the maths&#8230;</p>
<p>On investing in public services &#8211; one touchstone included in the policy paper is a massive investment in ecologically sound social housing. The exact policy demands are not in the policy paper &#8211; due to ongoing work by a subgroup. But the 2020 housing group &#8211; including many members of Put People First &#8211; put out a call for 100,000 new socially rented homes to be constructed. There is no indication that the government will get anywhere close to meeting this target.</p>
<p>On climate change &#8211; you have picked out the point about pushing for deal at Cophenhagen. You ignored the reference in the paper of $80 billion a year need calculated by the UNDP. Not included in the paper &#8211; but part of much of the record of Put People First member work climate change &#8211; are demands about the structure of climate finance: funding will be governed through UN mechanisms; that it should be grants not loans; and should be additional to what industrial countries need to do at home.</p>
<p>Now on the point about transparency and public accountability. The text of the report unpacks the headline recommendation: all financial institutions should be regulated including hedge funds, sovereign wealth funds, and over-the-counter products. There should be limits on derivatives trading and damaging speculation. Public reporting and listing requirements for multinationals should include information about governance arrangements, human rights impacts, social impacts, and environmental impacts. And that multinationals operating abroad be held accountable if they breach international human rights and environmental standards &#8211; there is no mechanism for doing this now. Do you think any of this is government policy?</p>
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		<title>By: Alex Evans</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alex Evans</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Mar 2009 14:03:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I know, it&#039;s a shockingly weak policy position: just warmed up leftovers from Make Poverty History.  (&quot;Everything has changed! So... er... um... more aid and ban conditionality!&quot; cont. p. 94) 

As to Put People First&#039;s climate stuff, where to start?  As you say, two degrees is much less relevant to policy than a concentration level in ppm CO2e or an emissions target in GtC - and there&#039;s also the small matter that two degrees has only been EU policy since, er, 1998.  As importantly, their position and says nothing about the real political issue, i.e. how to share out the emissions budget.  

On adaptation finance, meanwhile, they say it should be additional to ODA, but manage to avoid saying how MUCH more is needed for adaptation, thus reducing the statement to pure posturing with no actual content attached.

Perhaps I&#039;m being unfair.  The Stop Climate Chaos coalition has managed to keep itself content free for about four years so far (well done there; well done indeed), so maybe it&#039;s unreasonable of me to expect Put People First to hammer out anything substantive given just a couple of months.  Still, you have to wonder: if NGOs struggle this much to find anything to say beyond the motherhood and apple pie stuff, how are they supposed to demand that policymakers do any better?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I know, it&#8217;s a shockingly weak policy position: just warmed up leftovers from Make Poverty History.  (&#8220;Everything has changed! So&#8230; er&#8230; um&#8230; more aid and ban conditionality!&#8221; cont. p. 94) </p>
<p>As to Put People First&#8217;s climate stuff, where to start?  As you say, two degrees is much less relevant to policy than a concentration level in ppm CO2e or an emissions target in GtC &#8211; and there&#8217;s also the small matter that two degrees has only been EU policy since, er, 1998.  As importantly, their position and says nothing about the real political issue, i.e. how to share out the emissions budget.  </p>
<p>On adaptation finance, meanwhile, they say it should be additional to ODA, but manage to avoid saying how MUCH more is needed for adaptation, thus reducing the statement to pure posturing with no actual content attached.</p>
<p>Perhaps I&#8217;m being unfair.  The Stop Climate Chaos coalition has managed to keep itself content free for about four years so far (well done there; well done indeed), so maybe it&#8217;s unreasonable of me to expect Put People First to hammer out anything substantive given just a couple of months.  Still, you have to wonder: if NGOs struggle this much to find anything to say beyond the motherhood and apple pie stuff, how are they supposed to demand that policymakers do any better?</p>
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